tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN October 15, 2012 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
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he tells the wall street what we've learned from experience, mitt's experience as governor, mine doing tax law, is that you don't go to congress and say take it or leave it, here's my plan, pas it. you say here's my framework, my objectives. now, let's figure out together how to accomplish these objectives. now, this isn't the first time we've heard the romney ryan ticket talk about working with congress. >> work together with congress to say okay, what are the various ways we could bring down the deficit? >> we want to do this in front, in the public. through congressional hearing with congress to get the best conclusion with public participation. >> that's something congress and will have to work out together. >> it sounds nice, we're going to work together, unfortunately, it is not that easy. just ask this guy. >> when they skipped town, members of congress left a whole bunch of proposals sitting on the table.
>> and that's the rub. that's the problem about working with congress. with 11 weeks to go this year, our congress had enacted just 195 bills this session. that compares with the previous decade average of 448 bills per congress. that's a do nothing congress. so, what makes romney and ryan ink things would be any different if they get into this office? after all, does it really matter who occupies this chair? we're showing an empty picture for a republican because the problem is, it may not matter when there are people like this. >> the reason is simple. the the old style of tax reform is obsolete in a 2012 world. >> doesn't sound like a guy who's about to compromise with you, does it? we understand an overhaul is necessary. democrats and republicans,
notwithstanding what you just heard there, mostly agree. we also understand that politically, committing to closing one loophole over the other could be suicide for the ticket, but if it's the rock on which your promise to cut tax rates rests and you're relying on congress to stand up to special interests to do it, well, houston, you got a problem. you might not get a tax cut. never mind an overhaul, so mitt romney and paul ryan need to get more specific. robert reich served as secretary as labor, mark mckinnon advised the clinton campaign. chris christie is a well-known romney surrogate. i remember when he was running for governor of new jersey and a lot of people thought there's no way he can win. i'm not going to tell you what i'm going to cut. i'm going the get the list, get in office and do it. he won and "the new york times" wrote voters embraced mr. christie, though he offered no detail on how he would fix the state's problems.
can this strategy work for mitt romney when it comes to his tax plan? >> well, first of all, as the cofounder of no labels, i like the idea of bringing the congress together and to negotiate bringing these solutions together with the president involved. now, that said, there are realities. i think bold solutions are required. now, i'm not an economist and having me talk about tax policy is like having paris hilton explain -- >> that's rather aggressive analogy, by the way. keep going. >> well, they laid out a plan a couple of weeks ago and i'm surprised that paul ryan didn't talk about it the other night. this idea of a basket of deductions. we get deductions for chartable giving or home mortgages. the plan i heard them lay out a couple of weeks ago is that you cap that. bring it down, say it's 17% and you get to make a decision about whether it's charitable or home mortgage or a combination.
and if that number doesn't meet the 20% tax reduction, you've lowered the deduction even more and if it doesn't meet it then, you raise the rate. in other words, you've got a basket of deductions capped and that's very specific and sounds like a good plan to me, so i'm surprised ryan didn't talk about it the other day. >> and robert reich, maybe that is their plan, but they've also said they're going to close loopholes, which is different than capping deductions. in some sense, it's the the same outcome. is it that they don't have a plan for how they're going to make up the revenue side of this? >> i think the reality is not only do they not have a plan, but they don't know how they would ever get to their goal of creating five or almost $5 trillion of tax cuts for the very wealthy and not increasing anybody else's taxes. they keep referring to these six independent studies that show it can be done, but if you look closely, there are no studies
showing it can be do. there are a couple of studies out there, but they have assumptions built in such as rapid economic growth or magic asterisks. mathematics is mathematics and you can't duck the logic of adding and subtracting and that's what they're trying to do. >> i'm glad you brought up studies. professors have been kept in business because of that. we heard a lot about studies from both sides. here's a little taste. >> there's been a study done recently. the american enterprise study -- >> it keeps the think tanks in business. robert reich though in all seriousness, there are studies on both sides and you're right. you could throw whatever you want on one or the other. but does mitt romney need to give more detail in order to get through this or plow through
chris christie? he does have to provide more detail because this is the center piece of his economic plan. this huge tax cut. mostly for the rich and you cannot even begin to make that credible unless he tells the public how he's going to begin to pay for it. it's one thing to say you're going to work with congress. everybody wants to work with congress, but it doesn't happen. >> you keep throwing in mostly for the rich. now, he's getting a 20% tax cut, the wealthiest will not change under his plan. >> yes, but that assumes it won't change if you get rid of certain deductions and loopholes, but if not, if most of the people who examined your plan, including the the tax policy center, which i might add, both democrats and republicans respect all the time, they say it's not
possible. there are not enough deductions for people over $200,000 to pay for a $5 million or almost $5 million tax cut. >> they did, but when bloomberg said here's more assumptions that would cut your estimate in half, we're not going to change our study. >> well, erin, the fact of the matter is that most of the so-called independent studies that have looked at this assume that the money is going to come back through economic growth. that's supply side economics. maybe they're right, but we don't know. we have r very, very slow economic growth. slow economic growth for years and we've heard a lot of promises with regard to tax cuts. the bush tax cuts did not result in huge economic growth. we still have a huge deficit because of them. >> thanks very much. we appreciate it. back in a moment. still "outfront", new polls in the race for the white house. tonight, the flip that caught our attention. plus, he's just back from a fact
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a move towards mitt. with just 22 days until the election, a new cnn poll of polls has mitt romney leading president obama by one percentage point. now, that comes out to 48-47 and obviously, well within the margin of error, so it's a dead heat. but it's a significant reversal from a month ago when president obama was leading 49-46. you get the point. when you add it up, that's where you get the the margin. other polls show a dead heat. many of them have the president in the leading spot. "outfront" tonight, david frum, former speech wroiter for george bush -- and mark mckinnon is back with us. great to see you.
let me start with you, david. we're starting to see republicans rally around mitt romney. latest poll i think is a good indicator. 62% of romney supporters say we're excited about this guy. it was 48% before the convention. what's behind that shift? >> well, i think it would be a mistake to say they're enthusiastic about him and therefore, they'reoing to vote for thim. they're going to vote for him, so they have no choice but to become enthusiastic. we are seeing a rallying of bases on both sides. i see a race of tremendous stability. i see a race that has been neck and neck since the conventions. romney slipped after the revelation of the 47% tape. he roed after the the debate and now, we're back where we were before. it's like what they say about iraq. we're not really having an election. we're having a census and what we are seeing is that the different constituency groups of
the country are aligning. >> jamal, how concerned should the president's campaign be about the momentum? when you see a shift this late? sure, it's still margin of error, but when you add up the shift, it has been noticeable and in favor of mitt romney. >> oh, they should be concerned. i've been writing for a week they should be concerned because i think what this is always going to be a close race. this is where david is right. and what would make me nervous was how cocky some of my democratic friends, sometimes even me, people were getting a week ago, two weeks ago. romney's running a horrible campaign, the president's not doing anything badly, but what we know now is this is going to be a neck and neck race. the president's got to do well. he's got to be focused on the future. got to be talking about what's important to voters and be strong and show leadership. i think romney was strong last week and it gave people to have
a chance to get a second look. the president's got to remind them what he's been saing the last year. >> mark, when you look throughout american history at this late of a stage, what do the polls mean? there have been two quass where the person ahead now ended up losing. john kerry was ahead of george bush by a point and carter was ahead of reagan back in 1980 by five points. again, it's a poll of polls, an average of the polls. who's race is it to lose at this point? >> well, it's always been the president's to lose. the incumbent has the advantage. more important, a dramatic shift in romney and part of the reason for that i think is that voters have become more and more cynical about everything they see in politics. the advertising, the
conventions. everything until they see debates. this is the first time many voters have seen romney. they've read about him. it's been a one dimensional caricature in many cases. i think that's why there's such a shift. i just go back to 2000, four races that i was involved with. we were three down, 3-5 down. we went in the debates and suddenly, three up back. very closely within 500 votes, but these debates are instrumental. i think more important than ever and i think tomorrow night may be the most important debate ever. >> one thing for the record. al gore did get 500,000 more popular votes even though florida. >> but you know, electoral versus popular, a great decision. you live in certain states and you're voting not the way of your state, a lot of people feel their vote doesn't matter. >> here's where the popular vote does really matter.
except for last time, we have not had a non close race since 1988. every race has been very, very tight. 2004 was a three-point race. george bush was elected in 2004 by the narrowest margin of any president. what has been happening -- >> what you call a mandate. >> as you had to rise in the education population, as media communication get better, people become more committed to certain brands including their political brand and the country's become more locked in and has a more ethnic diversity. you also see people walking in ethnically as the champion to their private prize, so it's not a surprise that this race is going to be close and come down to the few people who are the least informed or committed in the country. >> which is frightening. thanks to all three.
we can probably all agree on that no matter where you stand politically. and we're going to be talking to the moderator of tomorrow's debate. candy crowley will be my guest next hour and the key come down to one state, ohio. we sent john avlon out to find out why the president has an -- there. we're going to ask a man famous for his liberal views. endless shrimp is our most popular promotion
tonight, ohio. no republican has won the white house without it and paul ryan knows that full well. here he is in cincinnati today. >> ohioans, you know you have a big say so. you know you're the battleground state of battleground states. you understand your responsibility, right? you understand your opportunity, right? >> the bellwether region of this state is northern western ohio, cities like akron. john avlon has more. >> for decades, economic news here has been bleak. once the bread basket and manufacturing backbone of the nation, ohio's been hit hard by outsourcing. family farms have been fighting for survival. but a bright spot is emerging here. a boom brought on my natural gas
and oil wells. carol and her husband roger have been dairy farmers in carroll county for decades, raising five kids and working around the clock. >> the farm is around here. we didn't have -- to work together, our bills were paid and we couldn't do anything. we couldn't go anywhere. everything went back into what we were doing. to make our payments. >> then, opportunity knocked. rex energy wanted to lease their land for oil and gas exploration. suddenly, local farmland that would be worth $15 per acre is now valued at 5800 and lisa's allowed farmer to keep a portion of the profits in oil and gas are found. >> in 2009, did you ever have a thought that might be this would happen? >> no. never. and when that check came, i cried. i cried. >> you did. >> because we have worked so
long, so hard to get to that point that that one check brought us. it's incredible. just incredible. people really don't understand the plight of the dairy farmer throughout the years. the ups and the downs. mostly downs. >> carol is a coveted swing voter in ohio. >> i have voted both democrat, republican and independent. i voted for ross perot. i thought a business man might be able to pull us out of the rut we were in. >> so, the issue of energy and what it means are critical to carol's vote and it's personal. the first thing she and her neighbors did is pay off their debts. she wants to see the president do the same. >> i would like to see obama, president obama, do like the dairy farmers have done in the past. we had to be efficient. we couldn't spend money that we did not have. we couldn't go in debt. who was going to bail us out? nobody. >> so, just what is carol keko
listing for in the next debate? >> the truth. no more negatives. no more lies. don't bash this person, that person. i don't want to hear that anymore. i want to hear what you can do for us. what you can do for the country. >> the buckeye state is the key bellwether of this election and it's fascinating. after decades of tough economic news, all of a sudden, there's a silver lining. it's amazing to see and yet, president obama is not necessarily seen as an ally of that industry. it will be fascinating to see when cuts come down to the wire. >> don't be negative. people don't like it. ahead, new details about the terrorist attack that killed four americans. bob corker just back from libya, asking questions on the ground. he's "outfront," nec. plus, what can we expegt to hear at tomorrow's presidential debate? the debate you just heard called the the most important thing between now and election day.
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she's on the phone from peru where she's with the secretary of state. what did she say? >> erin, this is really, she gave a set of interviews to network reporters, really speaking in depth about the attack on the u.s. post in benghazi. she said the buck stops with her. there has been a lot over the last couple of days and weeks about who's responsible, who takes responsibility. you heard vice president biden in the debate say we don't know. and when i asked secretary clinton whether you know, the white house -- state department under the bus, she said listen, this is my state department. i take responsibility. security for the u.s. diplomatic post is a state department function and the vice president and president didn't know. kind of distancing the state department from the white house in this election season. she also said she didn't want to play any kind of blame game or
political gotcha. she understands that the election is coming up, but she said that four americans died. we need to make sure that it doesn't happen again and we need to make sure that the u.s. is still engaged diplomatically. she wants to wait for an investigation before she talks about whether there was good intelligence or bad intelligence, but she did say the buck stops with her. >> all right. the buck stops with her. i guess the question would be some will say look, is she sort of falling on the sword. the white house s made it clear it was intelligence. it was the state department. she's obviously being consistent with that from everything you heard her say. >> i don't think so. i think that it's true, you know, obviously, that the white house would know about threats in benghazi, but those individual security decisions are really a state department function and that's basically what she was saying, the
responsibility for protecting does work with her, but also, she said we need to work with congress to make sure we're getting the the appropriate funding we need. the whole u.s. government has to work together to make sure that diplomats are getting what they need. everyone talks about how the military needs to have more resources for the troops, but we've seen a lot of budget cuts for state department funding and so i think she's saying listen, we'll see where the intelligence comes out and what happened that night, but i don't think she's trying to throw the white house under the bus kind of like the white house was last week over the state department. >> well, thanks very much. you just heard it here first. she talked to secretary of state hillary clinton, who said the buck stops with her. we asked that question on friday. where does it stop? secretary of state at least tonight trying to make the argument that it should stop with her and go no further. our fourth story "outfront" is libya. it has been almost five weeks since thattacks and in addition to a dramatically changing u.s. story, those
responsible are still at large. senator bob corker just returned from a fact finding tour to libya and has been demanding answers from day one. right before the show, i asked him what he actually learned. >> well, the the country is very fragile. the country is basically governed security wise through militias. that's one of the reasons there's such difficulty in trying to prosecute the folk responsible for this. but with the president, the gnc, the military, the prosecutor general and foreign minister, we pressed obviously the case that we wanted full cooperation in finding them and i think they have a will. it's just that the country as most people know, has almost no institutions of government. >> and what about your visit with u.s. intelligence on the ground if libya? what did you find out? i know you have a lot of questions, did they have the help they need, were they turned down for security requests? what did you hear?
>> you know, i focused mostly on that evening and there's not a shadow of a doubt the administration knew this was an attack. at the highest levels of our government, they were very aware this was a terrorist act and that's why this whole response over the last five weeks has been so bizarre. there was no question about it. for r five days later, to have this kind of interviews for the classified briefings we've had to be the kind that they are, it just begs the question, towards what end is e administration, were they trying to paint a different picture? i know by now, obviously, they've been flushed out and obviously have a very different view of what happened. but it's just hard to imagine what the point was of misleading the american people in this way. >> about several things. the role of the movie, about whether there were protest, whether it was a terrorist attack and who was responsible.
there's something that has also happened, which is that the white house, joe biden said it at the vice presidential debate and now, david axelrod has said it, that the president and vice president were not aware of additional security requests and that only the state department was aware and makes those decisions. let me just play david axelrod yesterday making this point. i think it's important the way he said it. >> these requests go into the security professionals at the state department and there's no doubt that some of these matters went into the security department at the state security agency at the state department, but it doesn't come to the white house and that's what the whit the vice president was responding to. >> i'm just curious, what your view is on this. it's all one administration, right? so, is it fair for the white house to point the finger to the state department or that it was the responsibility of the community not theirs?
>> i can understand how the security request might not have been known at the white house. i understand that. what is not acceptable is what the vice president said in the debate is that for you know, a long period of time, they were unsure of what happened. i am absolutely convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt meeting with people on the ground at the highest levels of our government, they knew it was a terrorist attack. my sense is that in this political season, what they're trying to do is make americans feel like they have vanquished terrorism. i think you know and most people who are paying attention to this understand that the arab spring has ushered in a whole new era of terrorism and what we're finding is there are vacuums that have been created in places like libya, but also in egypt and afghanistan and certainly in syria, where terrorism is actually growing in these countries and my sense is that's
what this has been all about is the, in this presidential race, the white house, not really wanting people to focus on the fact that that's the case. >> all right. thank you very much, senator. always good to talk to you and appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we're going to be talking to senator corker to get his reaction to the fact that the secretary of state now in an interview to cnn says she takes responsibility for the failures in benghazi and it is not the fault of the white house. and now to the big debate tomorrow. president obama and mitt romney will be duking it out in a town hall style debate. they're going to be taking questions from people in the audience. these have created some of the most memable and race changing moments like this one in 1992 when an audience member asked how the debt affected the candidate. president bush stumbled through his answer. this was bill clinton's response. >> how has it affected you again?
you know people who have lost their jobs and home? >> yeah. >> when people have lost their jobs, there's a good chance i know them by their names. when the businesses go bankrupt, i know them. >> it was also that same debate george bush famously got caught checking the time. and in the year 2000, george w. bush had to deal with al gore getting well, a little too personal. >> it's not only what's your philosophy and position on issues, but can you get thing done? and i believe i can. >> there's just something about that moment. "outfront" tonight, candy crowley, she's moderating tomorrow night's debate. i spoke to her earlier and asked her how she is preparing. >> everything has been kind of going toward this debate. i mean, i have been preping just in the sense, you know, like every day. you have to be up on what's going on. i've watched the old debates to
see what works and doesn't. the old town hall meetings, so i feel like you have to know 100% of stuff going in and even though you might use 1% of it, you don't know which 1%. >> and the town hall format, it's perhaps the most difficult because you're managing a whole lot of people. not just the two candidates. >> a lot of moving parts. >> this format can make or break a candidate. we just talked about some of the moments, when someone looks at their watch, those moments can kill you or can make it for you. what do obama and romney need to do to do well? >> well, i think you know, as trivial and cliche as this is, they have to show some connection with the folks answering the questions. i'm sorry, with the folks asking the questions in their answers. they have to show they get it. or that they least have some way they'd like to try and help
solve it. having said that, they also have to do kind of and that's the difference between me and him. there has to be contrast there. that has a really hard balance to do. it was a very famous, i think the second debate with perot and clinton and said i can't stand it when you fight all the time and the ads are terrible. kind of sucked all the conflict out because it's hard when people are in your face, to turn around and be mean to the other candidate standing next to you. we've heard so much about how president obama has to come out and he's going to be aggressive and be this, i'm thinking well, you're looking for joe biden, i don't think you're going to see him tomorrow night. >> i can only imagine that in the town hall format. what's amazing about this cycle, at least to me, moderators have become a part of the story. very much. i know that's not what you moderators want to have happen, but it has. you're no different. there are some questions that
have come up about what your role is going to be. it's a town hall. does that mean the questions are only going to come from the audience? >> no. there's a six and a half, seven and a half minute period. there are questions, then time to address that question. but if the question is about apples and the answer is about orange, seems to me that in the per view is wait a second, you answered oranges, let's try this again. >> speaking of that, you may be tough and firm, but this is a stressful moment for you as well as for them. i know that to get through it, your children are all there. your grandchildren. this is a family event. >> yes. yes. it is a family event and in fact, it was in downtown, many manhattan last night, went to a little thai restaurant. children are here. three of them and two
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some endured backlash for that. now, they are in the minority in hollywood. he is among one of president obama's biggest supporters. and he is "outfront" tonight. good to see you. >> nice to see you, erin. >> licking doorknobs? i just got mental image. i wanted to start with stacy dash. >> i don't know her, but i know she came out for romney. >> and she was ripped for it. in part because she's african-american and even large part and what is the stigma in hollywood for supporting a republican candidate? do people go in the corner? >> no, i don't think so. we live with republican, there are a lot of republicans out there. arnold schwarzenegger is a republican, clint eastwood.
>> mitt romney's for ending funding to planned parenthood, including cancer screenings. he said he'd overturn row v. wade. >> we have republicans trying to redefine rape. >> trying to force women to undergo invasive ultrasounds. >> vote for president obama. >> that's a powerful ad that you did. do you think you can be for women and vote for mitt romney? >> i think it's pretty hard. you can make an argument about the economic issues. although if you look at his economic plan, it doesn't really help most women. but you can -- economic issue. you can lie about it. say i didn't really mean a $5 trillion tax cut and i'm not really going to tell you how i'm going to pay for it. really going to tell you how i'm going to pay for it and all of that. but when it comes to things like women's reproductive health care, you can't lie. you can either say i'm for a woman's right to choose or i'm not. and romney is very clearly for women's right to choose. one of the few things that is very rarely talked about in presidential politics the supreme court and a president has very -- has very little power when it comes to pushing policy. you can do some but you've got to have a filibuster proof senate and all of that. the one place where you do have power is on the supreme court. and this president is going to
have at least two, maybe three nominees to the supreme court, and mitt romney has said unequivocally that he will seek to overturn roe v wade. that will directly affect women's ability to choose. >> i think it's a critical issue and it's important that women know that. >> let me ask you a question. this is something that makes me curious. not that men don't have the right to have an opinion on this issue, because they do. don't you think everybody is pro life in a certain sense? you want people to have the right to choose, in your case you believe in that, but the concept of wanting to have life in every case that you can is something -- >> yes. i'm pro life, in that way. i believe -- i don't believe in abortion. i don't think it's the right thing to do but i would not tell, just like vice president biden said in the debate against paul ryan, i would not force my beliefs on somebody else. and that's what we're talking
about. we're giving everybody to make that choice, that moral choice that is between them, their doctors and their god. so you know, whatever i believe, i should not force my beliefs on you or anybody else. >> so let me ask you a question. you're a rich guy. i'm just going to state it. you're successful. >> i have some money. i make a living. >> that's okay. we're not going to shoot you for it. here's the thing. there's a lot of people in hollywood that have a lot of money. hollywood is overwhelmingly on the left. i listed some examples. rob lowe recently has said he's on the right but why is that? >> well, what's interesting is hollywood is the one group of people that doesn't vote -- that doesn't want anything for our support. in other words, we give money -- >> you're so rich -- >> it doesn't have to do with so rich. we're not anywhere near as rich as the koch brothers or a lot of other very wealthy corporate type people, but we are interested in -- if you are a
creative person, you are a liberal minded person to begin with, you want to see the world in a broad -- in broad strokes. you have a large sphere of concern for not just yourself, but for everyone, and that large sphere of concern allows you to donate to things that may not directly affect you. i'm producing and directing an ad about women's issues. it doesn't directly affect me, but it ultimately affects me because it's going to affect my daughter and my friends, you know. so we think in terms, very, very large terms. we don't ask for anything in return for our money when we support a candidate. >> so let me ask you this. the last debate, the president did not do well by almost all accounts. performance -- >> without question. >> you're a director. i listed a few of your films. you got exponentially more than listed.
say you were producing tomorrow night. what would you say the president needs to do to not be distant, uninterested, arrogant, whatever it is he came across last time? >> first of l, look at the format. it's a town hall format so you can't be in your face aggressive the way joe biden was in the last debate. but by the same token, you have to be aggressive enough to not let your opponent get away with something. if he says something that is blatantly false or blatantly goes against what he has stated and what has been on his website and as part of his policy positions, you cannot let him get away with it. if he tries to obfuscate or lie or ameliorate his position, put his feet to the fire and say i'm sorry, sir, you said this and be very firm but you have to strike a good balance between being presidential and also being firm. >> thanks. good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> congratulations for getting the word ameliorate on the show.
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it was a record-breaking weekend. on sunday, felix baumgartner became the first skydiver to break the speed of sound as he jumped from an altitude of 24 miles up. it's just crazy. he fell an estimated 833.9 miles an hour during a ten-minute descent and then he landed on his feet. he now holds three world records, highest jump from a platform, longest distance free-fall and maximum vertical velocity. but there's another record that is much more important to all of us afraid of heights people who think he's insane which brings me to tonight's number. eight million. that's the number of people who watched baumgartner's jump live on youtube. that is an incredible number. to give you a comparison, the amazing race on cbs which is a popular reality show where people run around the world, attracted 8.9 million television viewers the sunday before. that's amazing. tv size.